Kitely Memorial Park

[Tess Juel]

I prefer the 3rd and 4th option in that last post, or a combination of those two. One big island, and some smaller ones, with or without bridges.

One thing I didn't think of until now is that C and D aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. We can have a central park area spanning across several islands and still have room for separate dedicated smaller ones if needed.

We can add the islands one by one, it's not necessary to pre-build them all. But if we do, I'm down with helping.

Tess, you don't have to do all of the terraforming and landscaping yourself. I can help with it and I'm sure there are others that can too.

I suppose I should reveal my very cunning plan. Does anybody remember this? viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6770

It's a script that allows anybody to sketch up a landscape detail such as a new island with prims, meshes and/or sculpts and then we can embed it onto the system ground. The result will need some cleaning up but it's still much easier than editing the ground externally or making something from scratch with the viewer's horrible terraforming tools. This is why I said it will be easy to add more islands if/when needed.

I think I have to be responsible for the path system though. This is because it's better to add extensions to the existing path mesh than to have it split into multiple meshes.

Going forward, we could restrict the sizes of future memorials if we think it’s necessary.

No, I disagree there. Either we allow for larger monuments for anybody who needs it or we don't allow them at all.

Tess, please post these illustrations and this text on the Discord server so people there can vote too.

Pictures for C and D are there already and it seems we can already rule out A and B.

How about this:
I make an island in a similar style to the one we have but slightly smaller and with a more "bridge friendly" shoreline. I only add a path around the circumference for now and maybe some temporary vegetation. Then we take it from there and see what happens.

[Chris Namaste]

thankyou ILAN ! and tess, so appreciated that ilan donates this (and owen) for society in kitely, just heartwarming

ive read all the options & the reactions, my first idea was :

A: One big island (since we are all together in grief & memorial, it's beautiful)
That's the most obvious solution of course but it is rather massive and filling up all that space with placeholder content in one go is going to be quite a lot of work.

since tess says its a lot of work,i dont give an preference, ALLis better than no memorial place, i didnt know it already existed for Veritas+ even... when one cant b a meetings, one msises a lot of info :s

when i can add someth, lemme know? i have lots that pple could use, like 'click to have your copy', for exemple, people want to build or add someth to a loved one & dont have moeny or donno what to add, is all good (also for licenses - its not 'selling'),

beautiful ♥

[Chris Namaste]

Either we allow for larger monuments for anybody who needs it or we don't allow them at all.

yes tess !

[Koshari Mahana]

Tess, I only said this because I thought you didn't like them big. I'm down for any sizes at all.

Going forward, we could restrict the sizes of future memorials if we think it’s necessary.

I'm actually down for any themes too. It wouldn't bother me if there were a Roman memorial next to a Native American memorial next to a fantasy memorial. I don't feel as though we need to separate and organize things. My whole thing from the very beginning is that it grows organically.

I welcome a lot of different creators too. We are going to need a lot of flowers and trees for sure and I like a variety of shapes, sizes, styles and colors. I have a lot of trees and flowers that I've bought from Ozwell and Teresa (t-spot) and others ... and rocks from Sky etc... I am happy to spread some of those around here and there for variety and to lighten your load, you shouldn't have to provide and plant everything. It's a community project so I think we should ask the community to help if they want to.

Oh, I have an idea! We could have a planting day! I'm sure lots of our friends have plants and trees and rocks etc... that they've purchased on the Kitely Market or elsewhere (as long as they aren't copybotted), and they could come with their inventories and we could all plant the park. I think that would be so much fun!

Can we, can we?

[Koshari Mahana]

Wonderful Chris! I would love it if you'd put some things there!

when i can add someth, lemme know? i have lots that pple could use, like 'click to have your copy', for exemple, people want to build or add someth to a loved one & dont have moeny or donno what to add, is all good (also for licenses - its not 'selling'),

beautiful ♥

[Koshari Mahana]

Tess, Wow, that is an amazing system! So cool! Now I get why you need to do it yourself. I like your idea about a bridge friendly shoreline, perfect, we can work on paths as needed.

I suppose I should reveal my very cunning plan. Does anybody remember this? viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6770

It's a script that allows anybody to sketch up a landscape detail such as a new island with prims, meshes and/or sculpts and then we can embed it onto the system ground. The result will need some cleaning up but it's still much easier than editing the ground externally or making something from scratch with the viewer's horrible terraforming tools. This is why I said it will be easy to add more islands if/when needed.

Pictures for C and D are there already and it seems we can already rule out A and B.

How about this:
I make an island in a similar style to the one we have but slightly smaller and with a more "bridge friendly" shoreline. I only add a path around the circumference for now and maybe some temporary vegetation. Then we take it from there and see what happens.
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[Tess Juel]

when i can add someth, lemme know? i have lots that pple could use, like 'click to have your copy', for exemple, people want to build or add someth to a loved one & dont have moeny or donno what to add, is all good (also for licenses - its not 'selling'),

I was actually going to ask if we could use one or two of your trees, the huge willow and maybe the 3 LI American beech.

Btw, when it comes to vegetation and other landscape features, they should be deeded to the group so other group members can move them if necessary. That means they need to be full perm. But there's no need to give anything away to others to place there, any group member can rez and deed the items they contribute.
I am making an exception myself for some items made by Gregg. They are not transferable so they can't be deeded but I'll I'll put them in a place where I'm fairly sure they'll never be in the way for any new memorials.

We should of course also try to avoid using too many high lag scenery items since the sim is likely to become rather crowded with different objects. So try to avoid high poly meshes, high resolution textures, sculpts and vegetation with alpha blending.
Don't be too frantic about it though. A few feature items won't do any harm as long as most of the content is low lag.

[Koshari Mahana]

We need to talk about a planting day, I've been thinking more about it and I think it's a fun idea, it could happen on a Saturday so that everyone could make it. If there is a time difference problem maybe we could have two of them. The main island and a couple of the smaller island would need to be up for this to happen.

What permissions are necessary in order to deed to group? I think we can make a few exceptions, we can always ask a person to move something if it's not able to be deeded to group.

I have Gregg's birdbath, which I think we should use. Kimm made an amazing statue of him which we definitely need to use. I also have his fountain which is nice and we could use. He's got nearly all of his creations over at the World's Fair we can't take copies of them course. But, in his exhibit it's apparent that his frogs had a lot of meaning for him, he donated a lot of space and scenes to them. He created an amazing gazebo in the past couple of years. I believe I have a copy of it so we could use that too. I have some of his animals but I would need to do a search for them. He sometimes gave gifts out to his group, we should look there to see if we can get copies of some of the items he gave away. Another option is that we could buy some of his creations off of the market place.

Btw, when it comes to vegetation and other landscape features, they should be deeded to the group so other group members can move them if necessary. That means they need to be full perm. But there's no need to give anything away to others to plave there, any group member can rez and deed the items they contribute.
I am making an exception myself for some items made by Gregg. They are not transferable so they can't be deeded but I'll I'll put them in a place where I'm fairly sure they'll never be in the way for any new memorials.

We should of course also try to avoid using too many high lag scenery items since the sim is likely to become rather crowded with different objects. So try to avoid high poly meshes, high resolution textures, sculpts and vegetation with alpha blending.
Don't be too frantic about it though. A few feature items won't do any harm as long as most of the content is low lag.

[Koshari Mahana]

Thinking further... I don't think it's a good idea to make other people's creations group share even if we were able to.

In addition, having a group deed or share requirement makes some fantastic landscaping items impossible to use. I want to use some of Ozwell's trees, I want to use some of T-Spots flowers and I don't think we can make (or should make them) group deed/or share. That rule would mean that we can only have trees and plants from the people building the park and I think it's good to have things from other Kitely Market creators in the mix too. Variety is good, and having Kitely Market items from a variety of creators is good too. Just my opinion.

[Tess Juel]

Thinking further... I don't think it's a good idea to make other people's creations group share even if we were able to.

I probably should have made this more clear. Deeding items to the group is ideal but it's not always possible of course. As I said, I'm going to add some un-deedable objects myself.