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Stripe has launched its operations in Israel and has begun recruiting local talent.Jan 3, 2022
Ilan Tochner wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:40 pm
Hi Gusher,

As stated above, as an Israeli company we have limited ability to accept payment other than using PayPal. That may change when Stripe finally adds support for Israel, but until that happens there are no viable options that we can support that would justify the R&D and operational costs of supporting them.
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Hi Gusher,

They started hiring but they haven't yet started providing their service to Israeli companies or given a timeline for when they will do so. I also don't know how the current downturn in the economy and layoffs in many high tech companies is going to effect their unpublished schedule.
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Ilan Tochner wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:16 pm
Hi Zyzzyx,

I'll reiterate that there is a huge difference between a company adding some clause to a Standard Form agreement and (a) it being legal, and (b) that company actually trying to enforce that clause. As stated previously, I highly doubt they will ever try to enforce that clause as it would result in much bigger damage to their company than any benefit such a "fine" could ever give them.
The problem is, most people they will target with it won't have the funds to pay for a lawsuit, and won't even be able to borrow from banks with a $2.500 paypal unpaid bill sitting on their credit report. Unless they target someone like Donald Trump or Steven Crowder, this won't get challenged in court. Given Blackrocks equity stake and their pushing ESG policies on all financial institutions they invest in to cancel and blacklist people who disagree with their leftist politics, your skepticism is not warranted. We are seeing banks cancelling thousands of accounts of not just businesses engaged in legal commerce that conflicts with ESG politics, but doing the same to customers as well as targeting customers for red flag law harassment.
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Graham Mills wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:42 pm
Updated to note that UK users are subject to the $2500 (or equivalent) fine, it's just omitted from the comparable section but included as follows:

https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/u ... activities
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Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:17 pm
With the usual proviso that I am not a lawyer, it seems to me that the penalty only applies if you use the PayPal service in support of such actions. Not a point I'd personally care to argue in court, of course.

https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/acceptableuse-full

Incidentally, the sanction doesn't seem to apply to the UK unless covered elsewhere.

https://www.paypal.com/uk/legalhub/acceptableuse-full

Graham, "in support of" is such a broad term. If I sold a t-shirt on kitely marketplace with an American flag on it with a "back the blue' stripe, or a "all lives matter" slogan, then that is the "in support of" that would cause paypal to nuke not just my paypal account, but also kitelys. Even if you disagree with the content of such t-shirt messaging, you cannot make a cogent argument that they are in any way hateful, unless you are a BLM extremist marxist pushing a CRT agenda (then again, I said 'cogent'.... ). This is not a minor thing, and you guys downplaying it is going to wind up leaving a lot of customers insecure about staying with kitely.
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Hi Mike,

Please don't fearmonger, as stated previously there is a huge difference between a company adding some controversial provision to their Standard Form contract and them actually trying to enforce that provision. As of now, I'm unaware of any incident where PayPal actually tried to take money out of people's accounts for anything other than a transaction reversal that was issued due to a dispute that was filed for that specific transaction.
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When I said "in support of" I meant simply in a functional commercial sense. I have no interest in discussing politics in this forum and if you continue to do so directly or indirectly I shall leave it forthwith.
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Also, you are missing another payment opportunity: enable kitely users to buy KC with Gloebits, so they dont have to cash gloebits out to paypal and then back to kitely.
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Hi Mike,

There is very little business sense in dealing with the legal and operational complications of accepting gleobits on Kitely.

If we were willing to take on those costs and liabilities we would have made Kitely Credits usable on the Hypergrid instead of doing so to support a different entity's virtual currency.
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