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Community in Kitely has been discussed in a previous thread.
I have collected the ideas and statements about what I think needs to be done about it and what can be done to make the community grow or ideas for what can be done to create your own community in your world.
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Its a lonely life one have in Kitely, especially if you dont go to events and so.
I think that Kitely has a community problem, because of the way things work and the lack of mainland.
We do get a whole world, which is very nice when we want to build and build. But people will only find us on the webpage, or if we advertise in the forum, where not many people look or write either, or if we advertise in G+ or facebook, where so many others advertise too all the time.
I miss some inworld groups, for events and sales and socializing. I miss groupchat, no matter how annoying that also can be.
There is no forum for groups which could be nice to have just to see what groups there are to join.
I also miss a map where I can hop around to explore, instead of going to the webpage that gives a different overview of how Kitely look.
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Ideas if I should create a community somewhere:
- I would make sure that people felt at home as the first thing when they land.
for example give them a free plot somewhere....a free sim totally isolated is too much when you want to get the feel in the grid before you move in.
- I would invent a Information Service, where I for example sent out a newsletter one time a week, and that could be after the sunday office meeting inhere.
- I would encourage people to establish management for their sims and events
- I would create a Grid Community for all residents, where it could be a group or a forum where people can meet and chat without having to meet visually.
- I would do something special for Creators/Merchants, so they felt special...lol
- I would arrange entertainment of some kind to attract people from outside and to make residents to get to know each other cross world-borders.
- I would emphasize on the Social aspect of a grid, by making sure that people always had someone to chat with by for example hiring "chataleurs", that always was available for a good chat for whoever that comes by on a certain spot. It could be volunteers too.
- I would emphasize on discount payment-plans for certain groups, for example seniors.
- I would participate in all the Hypergrid collaborations that I could, to make sure that no one was in doubt of that my Grid exists.
- I would love Feedback, on Trust-pilot, in blogs and on my forum and I would encourage people to review by giving them some kind of resident- privileges for doing it.

I read somewhere in some of the G+ groups that the community-meeting is mainly about technical issues. There should at least be some kind of written summary from those meetings somewhere, so it is possible to read what has been talked about in the past meetings.

I like Kitely, because its a good platform and I trust the founders, which is extremely important too. :)
Its a great place to build and have fun with that.
But I also think its a shame that it doesn't attract more people as wholehearted residents, because it would be the best grid ever with tons of people around and a good community with a lot of cultural diversity.


Graham Mills has more good ideas:

Kitely has groupchat as far as I know and the map works for island hopping after a fashion. Group search works as well. If you want to start a group to promote active chat, there is nothing to stop your advertising it here. I started a Kitely Educators Group a while back and, if there is interest, am happy to revive that given that I have a little more time these days. An index of group activity might be interesting and useful.

More generally, there is a community meeting every Sunday where issues like this can be discussed. A number of initiatives aimed at promoting cohesion in Kitely have been considered in the past. Dot has posted on the forum about her own efforts. My view is that support from Ilan and Oren is actually very good and one of the reasons I stay here. However, I do not expect 24x7 service -- they have lives as well. Their development of the Market may have broadened the scope of their responsibilities but I think most would see it as having been beneficial for both Kitely and the wider OpenSim community.

One possibility is a collective build, perhaps themed on Christmas as it is celebrated around the world, to bring folk together a little more maybe with some pre-Christmas events as well.

One of the interesting things about OSCC15 was seeing the number of Kitely folk I'd never met before. The community is much larger than is represented by the Forum, G+ or any other social media. People have only so much time to devote to reading online and may, quite reasonably, choose to ignore or lurk rather than engage.

I can only speak from the perspective of someone who came to Kitely to use it with classes. As someone who has adequate building and scripting skills, my primary need was for a platform that was stable, inexpensive and flexible. The availability of content (mostly Linda Kellie initially but latterly the Market as well), support for OARs and the ability to create new worlds for short-term use were all a major plus. The availability of a community with whom I could socialize was of secondary importance. I appreciate that's just me but I suspect the same is true of many of the Kitely folk at OSCC15 who never post on the forums or attend the Community Meeting. They just want the grid to work and for bugs to be fixed quickly. It's a plus for me that Kitely also contributes to the OpenSim core.

I don't think the forums are a substitute for inworld activity or quite frankly why bother building? Why bother going to the Community Meeting when you can read it all here and suck Kitely staff into long-winded discussions without resolution? The Community Meeting is frequently used by Ilan to garner ideas and opinions in an interactive manner that would be hard to replicate on the forums. Of course, you might equally say that inworld would not scale either but I guess it is the more motivated individuals that attend there.

Here is another (hopefully constructive) suggestion. Maybe what is needed is an achievements system as per the early days of SL. Here are some ideas based in part on my own past experiences.

Posted "Hello" on Forum
"Liked" post
Posted note about starting a new build on Forum
Posted update about world on Forum
Opened world to public and announced to Forum
Hosted visit by hypergrid tour
Opened shop inworld or otherwise made freebies available
Made purchase from Kitely Market
Opened shop on Kitely Market
Joined group
Asked/answered question in group chat
Created group
Hosted group meeting
Chatted to and friended new avatar
Offered assistance to new avatar
Attended Community Meeting
Attended cultural event (Seanchai, Roxy, Devokan)
Attended building-related event (WIP, Ozwell's, Ruby's, Serene's)
Attended work-related event (Kitely Educators Group)
Visited one or more public worlds and added them to profile as Picks
Posted snapshots or machinima relating to Kitely build
Participated in RP or puzzle-based event (Whitechapel)
Participated in hypergrid tour
Participated in treasure hunt
Visited Merchant's Fair
Blogged or otherwise shared information about activity on non-Kitely media

Feel free to add others -- it's unlikely that your list would ressemble the above (I've never organised a hypergrid tour, for example).


Dot Matrix gave her input too:
At yesterday's community meeting, this thread was discussed. Some wondered aloud whether Kitely is not so much a "grid" as a "grid of grids". Kitely is a hybrid: a hosting company and a "grid" and an online marketplace.

As a hosting company, Kitely supports a myriad of small and very diverse communities, both public and private. These communities use their Kitely worlds for different purposes and reasons. Each world might be seen as a mini-grid in its own right -- hence the "grid of grids".

Individual world-owners can build the type of community that is their world's focus. It is their responsibility, not the owners of Kitely.

Because of the diversity, there is little common ground shared by the different groups. One exception to this is the weekly Kitely Community Meeting.

Perhaps we need to stop thinking of communities on individual grids/mini-grids/worlds. The real community that needs building is that linked by the hypergrid.

For, with access to the hypergrid, Kitely users can travel to concerts, parties, conferences, workshops, exhibitions held on non-Kitely grids, and similarly non-Kitely users can attend events held on Kitely worlds.

This frees grid-owners to focus on their strengths, whether it is "building community" as outlined by the posts above, or providing and maintaining a stable platform with excellent performance for others to use as a foundation for building their own communities.
In fact, this is something like the little community on my Kitely world of Intersections.

The underlying thought is that most people have their main homes or building areas in other grids (or even in Kitely), but might want a ready-made base when they come visiting Kitely friends. So in Intersections there are free "homes-from-home" -- a bit like a holiday home -- in a variety of landscapes. They furnish the home as they wish -- even bring in their own building in one case!

Of those currently in Intersections, two have main avatars in other general grids and build/host extensively there, one has their own self-hosted grid, two have their own Kitely worlds but like to have a smaller base to meet with others, one has a main home in SL and in another game, and for four people Intersections is their only "home base" in OpenSim.

They belong to different groups, and do different things in Intersections (play games, build mesh items, chat, wander round the landscapes, ...). But it does show that it can work both ways.

In fact, this is something like the little community on my Kitely world of Intersections.

The underlying thought is that most people have their main homes or building areas in other grids (or even in Kitely), but might want a ready-made base when they come visiting Kitely friends. So in Intersections there are free "homes-from-home" -- a bit like a holiday home -- in a variety of landscapes. They furnish the home as they wish -- even bring in their own building in one case!

Of those currently in Intersections, two have main avatars in other general grids and build/host extensively there, one has their own self-hosted grid, two have their own Kitely worlds but like to have a smaller base to meet with others, one has a main home in SL and in another game, and for four people Intersections is their only "home base" in OpenSim.

They belong to different groups, and do different things in Intersections (play games, build mesh items, chat, wander round the landscapes, ...). But it does show that it can work both ways.
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Thanks, Open. There's a wealth of ideas there, and people are beginning to pick up on them.

For example, a new weekly newsletter has just been started -- Sign of the Kite. This is planned to be multi-format and available both via the web and inworld.

Perhaps we could discuss some of these at today's Kitely Community meeting as well, and report back here.
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Well I found some more ideas in my notebook which may be a little more controversial :)


- community courts - weekly court to address resident disputes :mrgreen:
- creator benefits - free vendor to Kitely market, shop-highlights for loyal and participating residents.
- religious events - services if priests want to give one, muslims, jews, christians and others.
- resident advisers - your own adviser to contact for all sorts of questions about the world
- scheduled chat time - people volunteer to be online to have a chat with people that comes by.
- happy hour - a community meeting with socializing purpose
- founder hour - throw all your frustrations at the founder, or ask questions
- community promotions - for every blog, Youtube and for every pic displayed you get some kind of benefit.
- recipe service - VW is populated by people from all over the world and we want to learn new cultural dishes and learn about new resources.
- political system - if someone wants to create a village with a political system, mayor and so, elections, then invent some tools for it.
- trustpilot - residents rate on trustpilot
- resources - links to everything useful
- job-center - for employees and employers.
- best of the month - the best resident, sim, shop, event, idea. Published on homepage.
- brainstorm campus - for creative brainstorming
- homeowners association - purchase and take control of the community. Become a court jurymember
- social committee - plan community events
- art committee - plan the exhibit at the mainland art-center
- off topic discussion hour - politics, religion, health, world,
- consumer resources - shop-lists, product-lists, service-lists

Much of this I haven't seen anywhere. Not even in SL, so it could be fun to try to see what residents would feel about it. 8-)
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My comments are shown in dark blue. Bear in mind that I don't speak for Kitely, just the (very informal) group of long-term residents at the core of the newly established Sign of the Kite (SOTK). Even then these are mostly my personal views -- Dot and Serene may differ. If there is a demand we should probably establish office hours for SOTK although personally I think it should run with as light a touch as possible. Also, I appreciate that you aren't necessarily saying that everything listed should or must be done! I'm just trying to provide some hopefully helpful feedback... ;)

Well I found some more ideas in my notebook which may be a little more controversial :)

- community courts - weekly court to address resident disputes :mrgreen:
I've seen very few disputes, if any, that would benefit from adjudication. Kitely is a relatively drama-free zone.
- creator benefits - free vendor to Kitely market, shop-highlights for loyal and participating residents.
Are you suggesting a scripted prim inworld that displays a product image from the Market and loads a web browser to the appropriate page when touched? You could do that quite easily using either MOAP or osSetDynamicTextureData; Kitely would have to answer for the second notion (they already have paid-for promoted sites but don't afaik discriminate between classes of resident which could be very contentious)
- religious events - services if priests want to give one, muslims, jews, christians and others.
Sign of the Kite (SOTK) has considered this with respect to Christmas. Is that of interest and is there more generally a need that can be adequately met?
- resident advisers - your own adviser to contact for all sorts of questions about the world
I think very few folk know everything about everything so the forums are arguably the best place for this. However, there are two large groups that could IMO be used with discretion for questions, viz Kitely Community and Kitely Mentors
- scheduled chat time - people volunteer to be online to have a chat with people that comes by.
SOTK may host informal meetups over Christmas; there is a SOTK group for distributing the weekly notecard and I have also established one for arranging inworld meetups called Sign of the Kite Meetup Group which is available for arranging small-group meetups. The various hypergrid safari groups are also a good opportunity to meet folk from Kitely and elsewhere.
- happy hour - a community meeting with socializing purpose
- founder hour - throw all your frustrations at the founder, or ask questions
The Sunday meetings organized by Kitely tend to be dual purpose with both socializing and technical updates. It's not clear that there is a demand for separating the two that couldn't be addressed via the proposed SOTK Meetup Group
- community promotions - for every blog, Youtube and for every pic displayed you get some kind of benefit.
That's a good idea (I alluded to something similar in the achievements system post) but my view is that if rewards were attached it could be gamed rather easily and verification would be time-consuming -- I was thinking more of badges.
- recipe service - VW is populated by people from all over the world and we want to learn new cultural dishes and learn about new resources.
SOTK has considered something similar as a special event but perhaps more from the perspective of acquiring basic language experience from an annotated scene typical of the participating country/culture. Again, is this something that would attract participation?
- political system - if someone wants to create a village with a political system, mayor and so, elections, then invent some tools for it.
I think that's been done elsewhere to a degree -- nothing to stop you doing it here as well -- google for Confederation_of_Democratic_Simulators
- trustpilot - residents rate on trustpilot
I've no experience there but ratings services can be gamed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustpilot
- resources - links to everything useful
SOTK has an interest in addressing documentation although more generally there are already good information/resource sites and this may be something that is addressed via the SOTK blog and newsletter
- job-center - for employees and employers.
People do occasionally use the forum to advertise for services such as scripting; it's not clear whether a job-center is required at this stage
- best of the month - the best resident, sim, shop, event, idea. Published on homepage.
I agree that Kitely could make its homepage more dynamic and perhaps include images and links to some of the worlds featured on Kitely Welcome Center and maybe an events list. The criteria for "best" would, however, need some thought and need to have a low overhead in terms of extra work. Bit of a minefield, perhaps.
- brainstorm campus - for creative brainstorming
Interesting idea but probably needs more on objectives
- homeowners association - purchase and take control of the community. Become a court jurymember
Is this a polisci RP you have in mind?
- social committee - plan community events
SOTK is unofficially doing some of that but there's certainly room for more than one activity in that area
- art committee - plan the exhibit at the mainland art-center
There's no mainland on Kitely but it certainly has been and most likely is being used for Art (not my area of expertise)
- off topic discussion hour - politics, religion, health, world,
Why not? Found a group and organize something.
- consumer resources - shop-lists, product-lists, service-lists
Presumably the first two relate to the Market although there have historically been search engines for OpenSim content such as MetaverseInk(?). By all means canvass a list of service-providers and post it here.

Much of this I haven't seen anywhere. Not even in SL, so it could be fun to try to see what residents would feel about it. 8-)[/quote]
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Thanks for your comments, Graham. These ideas are not really meant for Kitely. The ideas are from my little notebook "If I one day make my own grid". I got the impression from your and Dots previous comments that Kitely is only meant for resident-made communities around, so I thought that maybe some could be inspired to do something with a community that was a bit different from what we normally see.
I didnt really expect that anyone would question the ideas, but I will answer as good as I can - in red.

Graham Mills wrote: - community courts - weekly court to address resident disputes :mrgreen:
I've seen very few disputes, if any, that would benefit from adjudication. Kitely is a relatively drama-free zone.
Kitely seems to be drama-free. So far the community is so small so that we dont hear of it if it occurs, but if someone gets a larger community, then it will come. :)

- creator benefits - free vendor to Kitely market, shop-highlights for loyal and participating residents.
Are you suggesting a scripted prim inworld that displays a product image from the Market and loads a web browser to the appropriate page when touched? You could do that quite easily using either MOAP or osSetDynamicTextureData; Kitely would have to answer for the second notion (they already have paid-for promoted sites but don't afaik discriminate between classes of resident which could be very contentious)
Lol, I have made that a long time ago. I was thinking of people that cant script. This is really not about me.

- religious events - services if priests want to give one, muslims, jews, christians and others.
Sign of the Kite (SOTK) has considered this with respect to Christmas. Is that of interest and is there more generally a need that can be adequately met?
I dont know if the interest is big enough in Kitely as is, but I am thinking of a growing community where it could be a kind of event that some people would enjoy. Personally I wont enjoy it...lol

- resident advisers - your own adviser to contact for all sorts of questions about the world
I think very few folk know everything about everything so the forums are arguably the best place for this. However, there are two large groups that could IMO be used with discretion for questions, viz Kitely Community and Kitely Mentors
Its just a different word for mentor, helper, guide. I think that especially in Kitely people need more help than in other grids, because its so different here.

- scheduled chat time - people volunteer to be online to have a chat with people that comes by.
SOTK may host informal meetups over Christmas; there is a SOTK group for distributing the weekly notecard and I have also established one for arranging inworld meetups called Sign of the Kite Meetup Group which is available for arranging small-group meetups. The various hypergrid safari groups are also a good opportunity to meet folk from Kitely and elsewhere.
Ok, this one I really want to see around. Its based on an idea I saw on a RL senior collective where they had volunteers that all day long was available for a little chat for the old folks. I thought that in especially an empty grid it could be an attraction if there always was someone to go and have a little chat with. I thought of schedules where a volunteer resident could sign up and mark that he/she is available from 10-12 pm on xxx sim/plot/shop/house. It could be a benefit for both the volunteer and the people that goes for those chathours.

- happy hour - a community meeting with socializing purpose
Got this idea from various pub-events in SL and in RL. Normally the purpose is for partying, but it could have all sorts of themes for just one happy hour.

- founder hour - throw all your frustrations at the founder, or ask questions
The Sunday meetings organized by Kitely tend to be dual purpose with both socializing and technical updates. It's not clear that there is a demand for separating the two that couldn't be addressed via the proposed SOTK Meetup Group
This is just me that if I had my own grid, then I would volunteer to let people get their frustrations out, instead of shutting them up with declaring all sorts of threats in a TOS like SL does or other strange happenings from grid-owners around when they cant face their residents.

- community promotions - for every blog, Youtube and for every pic displayed you get some kind of benefit.
That's a good idea (I alluded to something similar in the achievements system post) but my view is that if rewards were attached it could be gamed rather easily and verification would be time-consuming -- I was thinking more of badges.
If I had my own grid, I would reward people for the help of selling my grid. What kind of reward I dont know. It had to be something that people want and therefore encourage them to do anymore of the promotions. Maybe a free month of rent or something like that.

- recipe service - VW is populated by people from all over the world and we want to learn new cultural dishes and learn about new resources.
SOTK has considered something similar as a special event but perhaps more from the perspective of acquiring basic language experience from an annotated scene typical of the participating country/culture. Again, is this something that would attract participation?
Food does always get people together. Maybe it should be on a sim with little meshes of ingrediens and the recipe on a board next to it, to make it more appealing than on just a blog or a webpage like so many others have. We are a 3D world and then we can just as well be creative and get something out of it.

- political system - if someone wants to create a village with a political system, mayor and so, elections, then invent some tools for it.
I think that's been done elsewhere to a degree -- nothing to stop you doing it here as well -- google for Confederation_of_Democratic_Simulators
I was actually thinking of the little landlords around with land for rent, that creates an environment that simulates a little city. Maybe it could be fun to have a more realistic way of controlling it, by having the residents take the control themselves. Its more for local communities and not for a general grid-community...or maybe it is.

- trustpilot - residents rate on trustpilot
I've no experience there but ratings services can be gamed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustpilot
In our little metaverse we do know a lot of names, so I bet if Nickolas Schmidt made a rate we would discard it as fake and read on until we found xxxBeautifulMillixxx resident. Her we would believe...lol. I dont know if its all possible to rate with a fictional name anyway.

- resources - links to everything useful
SOTK has an interest in addressing documentation although more generally there are already good information/resource sites and this may be something that is addressed via the SOTK blog and newsletter
Here I just thought of blender and gimp and youtubes and so, for builders, and again it should be inworld. Use the virtual environment to attract interest.

- job-center - for employees and employers.
People do occasionally use the forum to advertise for services such as scripting; it's not clear whether a job-center is required at this stage
It has been made in SL, but I think that a jobcenter inworld is actually better in a small world than in a big world, because if the job-center manager is outgoing enough and can drag the jobs out of the shop-owners, event-managers, and who else needs employees, then it can be a cool place for new people to visit on a sim where they can sign up for being contacted or maybe having job-fairs where the employers will meet and freet the job-seekers.

- best of the month - the best resident, sim, shop, event, idea. Published on homepage.
I agree that Kitely could make its homepage more dynamic and perhaps include images and links to some of the worlds featured on Kitely Welcome Center and maybe an events list. The criteria for "best" would, however, need some thought and need to have a low overhead in terms of extra work. Bit of a minefield, perhaps.
If I had my own grid, I would reward my residents for being best, no matter what they are best at. Who decide what is best then? Well that is debatable, but something could surely be invented that wasnt hard for people to swallow when they didnt win.


- brainstorm campus - for creative brainstorming
Interesting idea but probably needs more on objectives
There are several social media groups around for brainstorming all sorts of stuff, so why not in a virtual world. There we can at least see eachother...or....lol


- homeowners association - purchase and take control of the community. Become a court jurymember
Is this a polisci RP you have in mind?
Its connected with the political system. gain I saw this on a RL senior collective where the old people could buy their house and not just rent it, and if they did buy then they joined the homeowners association where they had some kind of influence on what happened on the collective.
I just thought it could be used for fullsim-owners too, so they had more to say that just a plot owner in a virtual world.


- social committee - plan community events
SOTK is unofficially doing some of that but there's certainly room for more than one activity in that area
Yeah

- art committee - plan the exhibit at the mainland art-center
There's no mainland on Kitely but it certainly has been and most likely is being used for Art (not my area of expertise)
This is just what I wanted on my little own grid, that I dont have.

- off topic discussion hour - politics, religion, health, world,
Why not? Found a group and organize something.
Yeah and I would if I was going to start a community somewhere, which I am not right now. :)

- consumer resources - shop-lists, product-lists, service-lists
Presumably the first two relate to the Market although there have historically been search engines for OpenSim content such as MetaverseInk(?). By all means canvass a list of service-providers and post it here.
Yeah and I would if I was going to start my own grid with a marketplace, which I am not right now. :)
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My New Year's resolution will be to read posts properly before I reply. I don't expect it to last very long... :D
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There are a lot of good ideas in this discussion. I've copied it out and am going to read through this over the holidays.

I particularly like the idea of a happy hour. Maybe one on Thursday and one on Friday with different times for Eurozone and Americazone? Or every other Friday with times alternating each week. Who has a region with a bar? Any time/space period will do. :-) Could even rotate between bar/pub/club/house

I mentioned Friday because I've observed that activity on Kitely seems highest starting Thursday and ramping up through Sunday. But that might just be my experience.

Keep those good ideas coming!
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There's a small coffee-house in Micrographia if you know where to look. I can't recommend the coffee but at least it's cheap! :)
Serene Jewell wrote:There are a lot of good ideas in this discussion. I've copied it out and am going to read through this over the holidays.

I particularly like the idea of a happy hour. Maybe one on Thursday and one on Friday with different times for Eurozone and Americazone? Or every other Friday with times alternating each week. Who has a region with a bar? Any time/space period will do. :-) Could even rotate between bar/pub/club/house

I mentioned Friday because I've observed that activity on Kitely seems highest starting Thursday and ramping up through Sunday. But that might just be my experience.

Keep those good ideas coming!
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